Who is your teacher? Your mentor?
On our daf today, we see a teacher become upset when his student goes to learn from someone else. At first it seems perhaps the student left because the teacher has shady dealings with the tax collector. But when confronted the student just says that he isn’t a very good teacher . . .
Rav Yitzḥak bar Yehuda was initially accustomed to study Torah before Rami bar Ḥama. After some time, he left him and went to study before Rav Sheshet. One day Rami bar Ḥama met him and said to him colloquially: Did you assume, as many do, that when the chief of taxes [alkafta] grasped me by the hand, the fragrance of his hand came to my hand? Do you think that because you went away from me in order to study before Rav Sheshet, have you become like Rav Sheshet merely by association? Rav Yitzḥak bar Yehuda said to him: It is not due to that reason that I went to study before Rav Sheshet, but for another reason. As for you, Master, when I ask with regard to any matter, Master resolves the question for me through reasoning. Consequently, when I find a mishna that opposes that reasoning, it refutes Master’s proposed resolution. As for Rav Sheshet, when I ask of him a question concerning any matter, he resolves the question for me by citing a mishna. Consequently, when I also find a mishna, and that mishna refutes the proposed resolution, it is a dispute between one mishna and another mishna, which does not necessarily refute the mishna that he cited.
As a teacher, here is a lesson plan/text study for this passage:
1. A Teacher Is Not Just Someone Smarter Than You
But someone whose method helps you grow.
Rav Yitzḥak bar Yehuda isn’t rejecting Rami bar Ḥama as a person or even as a scholar. He’s saying something subtler and more vulnerable:
Your way of teaching doesn’t work for me.
One teacher teaches through abstract reasoning. Another teaches by anchoring arguments in texts. Rav Yitzḥak knows himself well enough to say: I need grounding before abstraction.
Lesson:
Choosing a teacher isn’t about prestige, brilliance, or reputation. It’s about fit—how someone helps you learn, think, and stand on your own.
Discussion question:
- When have you learned more from someone less impressive on paper—but better for you?
2. Good Learning Requires Intellectual Stability, Not Just Cleverness
Rav Yitzḥak is worried about fragility. If an argument can be toppled by a single mishnah, it feels unstable. Rav Sheshet’s method gives him a firmer foundation—even when there are contradictions.
Lesson:
A mentor doesn’t just give answers; they give you tools that can withstand challenge and doubt.
This is a powerful meta-lesson for adult learners, especially in moments of uncertainty or crisis:
- Do our teachers leave us confident, or constantly anxious that the next question will undo everything?
Discussion question:
- What kind of teaching helps you feel steady rather than constantly on edge?
3. Teachers Are Human—and Can Feel Rejected
Rami bar Ḥama’s reaction is raw, defensive, and emotional. He jokes, but it’s barbed. He feels insulted, diminished, replaced.
The Talmud doesn’t hide that—even great rabbis have egos.
Lesson:
Healthy learning communities require humility on both sides. Students outgrow teachers. Teachers must make peace with that.
Discussion question:
- Have you ever felt hurt when someone moved on from you—or guilty when you moved on from someone else?
4. Learning Is Not Loyalty; It’s Responsibility
Rav Yitzḥak doesn’t apologize for leaving. He explains himself respectfully—but he does not back down.
There’s a quiet ethical claim here:
I am responsible for how and what I learn.
Lesson:
Judaism values commitment to truth and growth over personal allegiance. Staying with a teacher out of loyalty alone may actually undermine Torah.
Discussion question:
- When does loyalty become an obstacle to growth?
Framing the Big Question: Who Is Your Teacher? Who Is Your Mentor?
You might end with something like this:
This story asks us to reflect not only on who taught us—but how they taught us.
Who helps you ask better questions?
Who helps you feel grounded when things don’t line up neatly?
Who gives you courage to think for yourself?
Or, more pointedly:
- Who challenges you—and who stabilizes you?
- Who teaches you answers, and who teaches you how to live with unanswered questions?