Over the past few dapim (pages), we have been seeing the qualifications for who counts as a “stubborn and rebellious son” get narrower and narrower. Today, it gets so narrow that the daf says: There has never been a stubborn and rebellious son and there will never be one in the future, as it is impossible to fulfill all the requirements that must be met in order to apply this halakha.
But, Rabbi Yonatan says he’s seen it.
Rabbi Yonatan says: This is not so, as I saw and I even sat on his grave after he was executed.
It get’s more morbid! The daf notes how other condemnations have limitations that are impossible to fulfill:
There has never been an idolatrous city and there will never be one in the future, as it is virtually impossible to fulfill all the requirements that must be met in order to apply this halakha.
And Yonatan again:
Rabbi Yonatan says: This is not so, as I once saw an idolatrous city that was condemned to destruction, and I even sat on its ruins.
Not a lepros home:
A house never becomes impure with leprosy until a mark about the size of two split beans is seen on two stones in two walls that form a corner between them, the mark being about two split beans in length and about one split bean in width. It is difficult to imagine that such a precise situation will ever occur.
And, twist, other rabbis say they have seen it:
It is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Eliezer, son of Rabbi Tzadok, says: There was a place in the area of Gaza, and it was called the leprous ruin; that is to say, it was the ruin of a house that had been afflicted with leprosy. Apparently, then, leprosy of the house has existed. Rabbi Shimon of the village of Akko said: I once went to the Galilee and I saw a place that was being marked off as an impure place, and they said that stones afflicted with leprosy were cast there. This too indicates that a house afflicted with leprosy has existed.
What do we learn? Those who believe that these cases never happened tell us that we study them in order to learn about other things. I love this idea as we no longer live in a world where we have a Sanhedrin to rule in cases like this. But is there something to learn from the case of the stubborn and rebellious son? So much! We learn that parents need to not send their kids mixed messages Rabbi Yehuda says: If his mother was not identical to his father in voice… he does not become a stubborn and rebellious son. We learn that there is a vast difference between a child and an adult in terms of decision making. We learn that parents should go and get help when their children are acting out. And we learn that courts who try children with capital offenses are cruel and an offense to God. Not bad for something that may have never happened.