Is this burning an Eternal Flame? (Your welcome for getting the Bangles stuck in your head.) That seems to be the debate on today’s daf as we have seen (on today and yesterday’s dapim) that there are times when we will use coals from the Eternal light to light other lights (like the menorah and incense). Today, the question is, can you extinguish the fire of these coals that have been removed?
In a case where one extinguished a coal while still standing upon the top of the altar, everyone agrees that he is liable. This is because the verse explicitly is referring to extinguishing a flame “upon the altar.” When they disagree, it is in a case where he brought the coals down to ground level and extinguished a coal there. Abaye said: He is liable, since it is still considered fire of the altar. Rava said: He is not liable, because once it has been removed from the altar it is considered removed and no longer part of the altar’s fire.
Everyone agrees that you cannot extinguish coals that are still a part of the Eternal Flame, what they disagree on is twofold – at what point is a coal no longer considered part of the Eternal Flame and why are you removing said coal? Is it for a mitzvah, because if it’s not then there’s a problem.
One of the things I love about this passage is the question it raises about how we use holy things today . . . but not items that are ready for retirement (like old prayer books that you might bury) – things that are still in use. What is okay to do on the bima? Is it okay to use the prayer book as a paper weight? A lift for my computer when I am zooming? What about my rabbis’ time? At what point, if ever do things lose their sacredness?
The real gem from this, however, is that I get to quote the Bangles as my love for them is Eternal, just like their question, “Is this burning and Eternal Flame?”
