People have strange pet peeves. One of my mom’s was when someone used i.e. and they meant etc. or vise versa. Today’s daf seems to have this kind of issue. It is all about when to use which halakhic devices when. Today’s obsession – When the Torah/Talmud teaches a generalization followed by a detail verse when it shares a detail followed by a generalization. . . then it wonders about generalizations followed by details followed by another generalization and it’s opposite.
Now, in the case of a generalization, and a detail, and a generalization, one derives that all items which are like the detail are included. However, if that is so, what purpose does the last generalization stated in the verse serve? The same conclusion would be reached if the verse had stated merely a generalization and a detail. The Gemara answers: The purpose of the last generalization is to add all that is similar to it, i.e., even those articles or cases not explicitly listed among the details. And furthermore, in the case of a detail, and a generalization, and a detail, one again derives that all items which are like the detail are included. If so, what purpose does the last detail stated in the verse serve? The same conclusion would apply if there was simply a detail and a generalization. The Gemara answers: If it were not for the last detail, I would say that the generalization becomes added to the detail, which is broadened in all possible ways. Therefore, the last detail limits the generalization to items or cases that are similar to the detail.
So, maybe it’s saying you need the last detail to be an i.e. situation instead of an ect. situation. An etc. situation has no upper limits of what it might apply to.
The Gemara continues this line of questioning. And now that it has been established that both with regard to two generalizations and a detail, i.e., a generalization, a detail, and a generalization, and two details and a generalization, i.e., a detail, a generalization, and a detail, one derives that all items that are like the detail are included, what difference is there between this method and that one? The two methods are apparently identical. The Gemara answers: There is a difference between them, as whereas in a case of two generalizations and a detail, if there is another detail that is similar to the detail specified in the verse even in one aspect, one includes it, due to the two generalizations. By contrast, in the case of two details and a generalization, if there is another detail that is similar to the one mentioned in the verse in two aspects, one includes it. However, if it is similar in only one aspect one does not include it, as the halakha is limited by two details.
Confused? You’re not alone.
Let’s say you’re at my house and you’re hungry and I say, “Help yourself to an apple or anything you want.” I have gone from specific to general. You might assume from this that I am inviting you to eat anything – even my leftovers that I have been looking forward to eating for dinner. And maybe I don’t actually mean “anything.” So, adding another detail after the generalization helps us to understand what I really mean with my offer. “Help yourself to an apple or whatever you want or some berries” hints that I am offering fruit, not really anything in the fridge. The Gemara is emphasizing how details help to limit the options whereas the generalizations open up the options. Much like etc opens options that have not been mentioned while i.e. is all inclusive and has mentioned everything that it means to include.
Not so riveting. But may you use i.e. and etc. correctly. etc.